Suikoden II Inaccurate Starting Stats

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Suikoden II Inaccurate Starting Stats

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After the discussion in this thread, I created a process to compare what's on the site with values mined from the data. I don't know that it would properly catch things like Abizboah or other characters with multipliers hypothesized on the site (aside from Wakaba and L.C. who are correct once multipliers are applied), but this is what I found after a quick run.

Strength:
Mekumeku Site:11 Game:12

Magic:
Bolgan Site:10 Game:11

Speed:
Mukumuku Site:12 Game:13
Tai Ho Site:13 Game:12
Tengaar Site:13 Game:12

Prot:
Hero Site:12 Game:13
Flik Site:13 Game:12
Mukumuku Site:10 Game:11
Zamza Site:12 Game:13

Mdef:
Anita Site:12 Game:13
Sierra Site:12 Game:13
Tai Ho Site:12 Game:13
Zamza Site:12 Game:13

Luck:
Ayda Site:12 Game:13
Eilie Site:12 Game:13

HP:
Feather Site:30 Game:50
L.C.Chan Site:24 Game:240
Pesmerga Site:26 Game:24
Rikimaru Site:50 Game:30
Sigfried Site:30 Game:50
Wakaba Site:20 Game:200
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Re: Suikoden II Inaccurate Starting Stats

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which page has these starting stats? Is it the Stat Growth guide? Does that mean the D+ needs to say its starting stat is 12 instead of 11? This affects all the characters with the same growth, so is that correct for everyone?
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Yeah, it's the stat growth page.

The point, really, is that the rankings don't actually exist for starting stats. They're broadly correct, but each character's stats are initialized individually, and there will be outliers. If the site lists 10 characters in a given ranking, it's likely correct for almost all, or even all, of them, but one or two here and there buck the trend in some rankings, for some stats.
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ah... so does that mean i should still change the growth rate starting stat info or not?
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I don't really know what to say about that. If the page hadn't been up for years, I'd say the format should be abandoned in favor of something else, if you want it to be completely accurate. Given how long it's been like that, I hate to suggest scrapping it. You could just add a bunch of exceptions in the individual growth details, I guess.
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ok thanks! I'll try to think of something.
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If I understand correctly, we need to remove the base stats from the stat growth rates tables. Instead, the base stats must be specified in the left table, individually for each character.

Pyriel, if you can provide me with the base stats, I'll amend the guide accordingly.
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Re: Suikoden II Inaccurate Starting Stats

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They're in the CSV attached to this post: http://www.suikosource.com/phpBB3/viewt ... 64#p161380
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