The Most Underestimated Character.

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Re: The Most Underestimated Character.

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Jimba is only an average character, unlike Georg Prime in suikoden 5 who likewise gets limited game time, but is ridiculously good. Jimba's got great speed, and an A in water magic and parry, but otherwise has nothing going for him. Since parry isn't that helpful a skill, and good water mages aren't hard to find either, Jimba really doesn't have much to make him interesting, particularly when he only has a single rune slot.

Lucia is an amazing character. I don't know how one could underestimate her. She has 3 rune slots, which is awesome on pretty much any character, making it easy to combine several runes on her. She has high magic and magic defense, which is great with her good skill in fire magic. She's also very good with the combat stuff.

The Alanis and Melville combo can be pretty powerful. Outside of spamming that though, Alanis is pretty mediocre.
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Re: The Most Underestimated Character.

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What about Edge?

He has got great lightning magic skills along with physical attacks...he's just like Geddoe but quite much better after Geddoe loses his True Lightning Rune... :wink:
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Re: The Most Underestimated Character.

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i don't think Edge can compare to Geddoe at all.
1. Geddoe has way more free skills and useful fixed skills. Edge's fixed Lightning magic skill only gets in the way if you are doing physical damage, and being able to counter is not too useful in my experience--Parry, on the other hand, greatly boosts a character's ability to fend off attacks.
2. when Geddoe loses his true rune, does that rune slot open up? i seem to recall it doesn't... but if it does it would give him a huge advantage over Edge. otherwise, they have equal rune slots..
3. Geddoe can reach 3 swings; Edge is stuck with just 2..
4. If they are both going to try to use Lightning magic, Geddoe has less equipment he has to sacrifice to boost it to S.

I am very sure Elaine is more worthy to compare herself to Geddoe than Edge! Elaine is an outstanding character but she joins so late I never bother using her :/
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Re: The Most Underestimated Character.

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KFCrispy wrote:

I am very sure Elaine is more worthy to compare herself to Geddoe than Edge! Elaine is an outstanding character but she joins so late I never bother using her :/

Actually Edge joins late in the game too...because he is the only character reqruited in the first 3 chapters,who can be playable after the 4th chapter,because you can only reqruit him with Geddoe.


Elaine is very good that's true,but she's got more fire and water magic skills than lightning...you can use her in the final battles in the ceremonial site...along with Nicolas who is the best guard in the game and Gau who is a very good physical fighter...

By the way,Duke besides being the leader of his Unit,he is the weakest of them,and he has crap lightning magic..... :?
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Re: The Most Underestimated Character.

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you can actually play Edge a bit before chapter 4 if you choose to take advantage of various points in Geddoe's chapters where one or more members of the party aren't there. But Edge is still not a particularly exciting character. Offensively he's got several base stats that are above average, but they are balanced by entirely average skills and his low number of attacks so that he actually ends up being only slightly above average in terms of dealing damage.

Geddoe is always going to be better than Edge, partially because he has a true rune and more free skill slots to play with, but mostly because he has three rune slots, which means that if you take off his true rune, he'll always be able to out play Edge purely by virtue of that.

Elaine is a very solid jack of all trades character. She can do offensive and support magic well, and can be tooled into a solid fighter as well. Her major flaw is that of all jack of all trades characters, which is that if she tries to everything, she does each poorly. She is then slightly limited when trying to focus on physical combat by her limited number of free skill slots.
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Re: The Most Underestimated Character.

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Just re-reading this thread for fun. Sgt. Joe is definitely under-optimized by most players, because his potential comes out only with his unite partners that people don't think of using. We've already talked about Shabon several times, but the 2 combined are probably the most OP unite in the game, handling both random encounters and bosses with ease. It's possible you get more with a Balance Rune than Fury on him for the unite, as bosses would likely be done in 2 hits. And the Adonis (Handsome Clan) unite with Ruby and Bazba is definitely never used since you have to use Bazba and an unmounted Ruby.

Also, another worthwhile mention is the Adonis (Pretty Boys) unite with unmounted Futch, Franz, and Fred. The issue is both Futch and Franz seem so much stronger while mounted, but an optimized party might mount them for random encounters and then separate them for the boss so you can pretty much 1-turn the boss. Ruby unmounted can use her 1.5x dmg Shining Wing attack combined with her 4 or so swings and a Double-Strike Rune, and it's definitely a done deal.

Joker is also undervalued as a physical damage dealer, and much of it is because of his obvious role as the DPS mage while fixed in Geddoe's team for much of the game. Another issue is the game mistakenly says his Isshin Rune deals 1x damage or something, but it's really 1.5x dmg. But once you have access to more runes (Double-Strike, Fury.. Warrior), he can be a very effective physical attacker. Furthermore, if you want to go with a physical damage route, you can also throw in Juan and Kenji for a really strong random enemy destroying unite, Twister!
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