Acceptance
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Acceptance
Certain SoD throughout the series either did something wrong or committed a large travesty. The hero probably might not forgive that person on the spot but does give that person a chance for redemption. However, welcoming a particular person into the army would cause quite a stir for the rest of the troops.
Milich no doubt had to endue hostilities from Pahn, Cleo, Camille, etc. for killing Gremio even though he was technically not at fault.
Kiba and Klaus probably had to win some acceptance from Riou's troops. Their loyalty was with Agares and vowed to take down the usurper.
Hugo did learn to accept Chris as an ally.
I would have to say that the SoD that would have the most difficult time earning acceptance would be Snowe and Euram. They both willingly committed great travesty and became hated by the people.
Milich no doubt had to endue hostilities from Pahn, Cleo, Camille, etc. for killing Gremio even though he was technically not at fault.
Kiba and Klaus probably had to win some acceptance from Riou's troops. Their loyalty was with Agares and vowed to take down the usurper.
Hugo did learn to accept Chris as an ally.
I would have to say that the SoD that would have the most difficult time earning acceptance would be Snowe and Euram. They both willingly committed great travesty and became hated by the people.
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Roy springs to mind, but in his defense, he goes on to prove his worth to the army.
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Re: Acceptance
I dont think Euram is a cannon SOD.....I think Eresh is the real choice since her story is directly connected with Jean
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Well yes, I am certain that the Prince's troops had a lot of difficulties by accepting Euram. I used to recruit him one time. Sure, he has changed into a good noble and Luserina was happy After Suikoden 5 he gave up his nobility and started to become a good man.
I always liked the way Konami did it with some guys in the story
I always liked the way Konami did it with some guys in the story
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Riiiight.son_michael wrote:I dont think Euram is a cannon SOD.....I think Eresh is the real choice since her story is directly connected with Jean
And Jeane is an optional character, whereas Euram is in the story all the time whether you like it or not.
Either way... neither are canon, of course.
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Pollensalta wrote:Riiiight.son_michael wrote:I dont think Euram is a cannon SOD.....I think Eresh is the real choice since her story is directly connected with Jean
And Jeane is an optional character, whereas Euram is in the story all the time whether you like it or not.
Either way... neither are canon, of course.
your kidding right?
Jean is in every suikoden game and Euram is EASY to get
if Eresh is connected to Jeans story and hard to get then I would think Logically she's the cannon choice
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Well, with Suikoden II, was Boris or Ridley the canon choice? Or out of Abizboah/Feather/Sigfried? For some things there just isn't a canon answer, and it doesn't really matter either way.
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As I've said before, neither are canon. But once again, using reason, because Euram had been a part of the storyline all along (and when he joins, becomes a changed man, etc, furthering the story that had been previously building) it would make sense.
But neither are. End of story.
But neither are. End of story.
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The tenkai stars reflect us as persons. By all means you can chop Milich's head off or you can choose to save him because the black rune was controlling him. Thats why they offer you choices like that Even for Euram, too. Don't forgive him? Heck, go recruit Eresh
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I always wanted to make the "wrong" choices when recruiting characters because alternate choices always seemed so hilarious/ridiculous. (I think in Suikoden II, when Simone asks what he must do for the Rose Brooch you own, one of the choices is: "Run around and cluck like a chicken!" or something like that...it was so tempting...) I suppose I couldn't make the choices that reflected my real personality since that would prevent me from acquiring all 108 SoD (and in turn, losing the "best" ending for the game)...
As for Snowe and Euram... I think Snowe and Euram suffered quite a bit from their hubris, so their desires to change were sincere. In Suikoden V, I had a much more difficult time forgiving Sialeeds than anyone; Euram, although always plotting ways to get revenge on the prince, was primarily comic relief. (Did anyone else laugh during the Sable gate scene when he challenged the prince?) He never seemed a genuine threat, regardless of his intents, because he always managed to blunder things up. By contrast, Sialeeds became genuinely vicious, and capable of backing up her threats. Even towards the end when they attempted to make her actions seem noble, I had a lot of difficulty reading her character and wasn't certain if I could forgive her.
As for Snowe and Euram... I think Snowe and Euram suffered quite a bit from their hubris, so their desires to change were sincere. In Suikoden V, I had a much more difficult time forgiving Sialeeds than anyone; Euram, although always plotting ways to get revenge on the prince, was primarily comic relief. (Did anyone else laugh during the Sable gate scene when he challenged the prince?) He never seemed a genuine threat, regardless of his intents, because he always managed to blunder things up. By contrast, Sialeeds became genuinely vicious, and capable of backing up her threats. Even towards the end when they attempted to make her actions seem noble, I had a lot of difficulty reading her character and wasn't certain if I could forgive her.
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It's been quite a long time since I've done this, but if my memory doesn't fail me, he will run around and bark like a dog if you tell him to do so. He won't join if you choose that, though.I always wanted to make the "wrong" choices when recruiting characters because alternate choices always seemed so hilarious/ridiculous. (I think in Suikoden II, when Simone asks what he must do for the Rose Brooch you own, one of the choices is: "Run around and cluck like a chicken!" or something like that...it was so tempting...)
What strikes me as an odd option is choosing to behead Snowe the first time you capture him.
My first time playing Suikoden IV, I didn't take the game seriously so I selected to behead Snowe.
I honestly assumed someone will get angry and remind Lazlo that Snowe was his best friend or something then I get to choose again, but no.
Snowe gets beheaded so easily, regardless of being a somehow main character in the game.
(Unlike in Suikoden II where you can choose to behead Kiba and his son, but you won't be able to behead them.)
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On a similar topic, but in reverse, I think Alec and Grenseal would have had trouble accepting their new roles as rebels alongside Tir. It always seemed an unusual scenario to me. I know Teo was looking out for his son and everything, but Alec and Grenseal were soldiers of the Empire and loyal to Teo. It seems a little cruel to me to tell them to betray their Empire and defect to the rebel army when by all means they probably had no rebel sympathies whatsoever. They must have marched into that battle with the intention of winning and destroying the rebels, and all of a sudden they've got to swallow their pride and enlist, just because their master asked them nicely. Ohwell.
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Wasnt it Alen not Alec?
Also i would actually like to know what the '' official '' or ''canon'' choice in suikoden 2 is with Ridley, does he die or not.
Also i would actually like to know what the '' official '' or ''canon'' choice in suikoden 2 is with Ridley, does he die or not.
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Snowe wasnt to much of a threat either, Euram's scenes make him look like a funny badguy who dosent seem to be victourious when it comes to challenging the Prince etc,
But Snowe was just sad and pathetic, he didnt have to betray Lazlo...I do find it hard to belive that Lazlo could accept Snowe so easily after what he did to him.
But Snowe was just sad and pathetic, he didnt have to betray Lazlo...I do find it hard to belive that Lazlo could accept Snowe so easily after what he did to him.
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Euram wouldn't be getting any medals after the war but the best thing he would get is a royal pardon. Plus, he wouldn't be very welcome in Lordlake and Sable. He'd have to be escorted by Luserina or an armed platoon if he's ever going to do any restoration work in those places.