[Discussion] IczR1's Suikoden 2 Character Rankings
- IczR1
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- Stallion
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People forget about using Mother Earth offensively - the third level spell Earthquake is 800 damage to all enemies, that's better than the equivalent Rage rune spell. Put that on someone like Karen or even Riou for excellent results. I used this spell in my lvl 99 tricks :p
Didn't test exertion last night ( forgot ) - i have written it on my hand so it will happen tonight.
Didn't test exertion last night ( forgot ) - i have written it on my hand so it will happen tonight.
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Okay this is weird...
EXERTION RUNE TESTS
Valeria setup ( with exertion not friendship patk is 351 )
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/ ... ure016.jpg
All tests conducted on Eyeflowers around Greenhill - and yes many were harmed in the making!
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Test 1 - Normal Hits, No weapon rune
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Round 1 - 475
Round 2 - 477
Round 3 - 481
So it seems her base damage without a weapon rune is 475-ish.
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Test 2 - Normal Hits, Exertion rune
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Round 1 - 564
Round 2 - 657
Round 3 - 739
So you can see the damage increase immediately from the first round ( 475 x 1.2 = 570 )
To test the limits of this I tried vs six enemies
Round 1 - 566
Round 2 - 651
Round 3 - 740
Round 4 - 828
Round 5 - 921
Round 6 - 1010
NOW HANG ON A SECOND... That is an extra increase! If the first round is 1.2x, then it keeps going up 1.4, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 the 1010 is 2.2?
475 x 2.0 = 950
475 x 2.2 = 1045... so is exertion then even more powerful than it says?
So my next thought is "perhaps it increases the base damage then calls that 1.0 before increasing". However 566 x 2.0 = 1132 and its clearly not that high... so I figured maybe it was a glitch...
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Test 3 - Falcon Rune, Exertion rune : Six enemies
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So I thought - okay the falcon rune is what we want to use exertion for, so lets try it with that and see if we can confirm that increase again. Here's the results:
Round 1 - 1134
Round 2 - 1304
Round 3 - 1490
Round 4 - 1660
Round 5 - 1826
Round 6 - 5050 ( critical rune hit )
Even though the last hit was critical, I've proved before that the falcon critical attack is 5x damage, and 1010 x 5 = 5050. So it seems that yet again the damage doesn't stop at 2.0x!!
CONCLUSION
So while I basically proved my point ( round 1 is 1.2x normal damage ) I also found that Exertion possibly goes -beyond- 2.0x damage!
How to confirm? I guess the best way would be taking a weak character and equipping the rune ( Hix perhaps if you havent' used him ). Since he wont kill these flowers in one hit you can go more than six rounds to see if it caps. I'm pretty sure from gameplay experience that it does cap, I remember Valeria's damage levelling off in boss fights earlier in the game. Its just weird that it seemingly goes to 2.2x damage!!
EXERTION RUNE TESTS
Valeria setup ( with exertion not friendship patk is 351 )
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/ ... ure016.jpg
All tests conducted on Eyeflowers around Greenhill - and yes many were harmed in the making!
----------------------------------
Test 1 - Normal Hits, No weapon rune
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Round 1 - 475
Round 2 - 477
Round 3 - 481
So it seems her base damage without a weapon rune is 475-ish.
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Test 2 - Normal Hits, Exertion rune
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Round 1 - 564
Round 2 - 657
Round 3 - 739
So you can see the damage increase immediately from the first round ( 475 x 1.2 = 570 )
To test the limits of this I tried vs six enemies
Round 1 - 566
Round 2 - 651
Round 3 - 740
Round 4 - 828
Round 5 - 921
Round 6 - 1010
NOW HANG ON A SECOND... That is an extra increase! If the first round is 1.2x, then it keeps going up 1.4, 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 the 1010 is 2.2?
475 x 2.0 = 950
475 x 2.2 = 1045... so is exertion then even more powerful than it says?
So my next thought is "perhaps it increases the base damage then calls that 1.0 before increasing". However 566 x 2.0 = 1132 and its clearly not that high... so I figured maybe it was a glitch...
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Test 3 - Falcon Rune, Exertion rune : Six enemies
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So I thought - okay the falcon rune is what we want to use exertion for, so lets try it with that and see if we can confirm that increase again. Here's the results:
Round 1 - 1134
Round 2 - 1304
Round 3 - 1490
Round 4 - 1660
Round 5 - 1826
Round 6 - 5050 ( critical rune hit )
Even though the last hit was critical, I've proved before that the falcon critical attack is 5x damage, and 1010 x 5 = 5050. So it seems that yet again the damage doesn't stop at 2.0x!!
CONCLUSION
So while I basically proved my point ( round 1 is 1.2x normal damage ) I also found that Exertion possibly goes -beyond- 2.0x damage!
How to confirm? I guess the best way would be taking a weak character and equipping the rune ( Hix perhaps if you havent' used him ). Since he wont kill these flowers in one hit you can go more than six rounds to see if it caps. I'm pretty sure from gameplay experience that it does cap, I remember Valeria's damage levelling off in boss fights earlier in the game. Its just weird that it seemingly goes to 2.2x damage!!
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While Earthquake is better than level 3 of Rage Rune, Earthquake only hits enemies on the land, meaning that it's totally useless on flying enemies. Not much, but still a drawback. Plus, the level 4 of Mother Earth Rune is simply not that great.Stallion wrote:People forget about using Mother Earth offensively - the third level spell Earthquake is 800 damage to all enemies, that's better than the equivalent Rage rune spell.
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- IczR1
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@Stallion
Thx for testing it, and interesting that the damage boost exceeds 2.0 in the 5th turn
Now there are already THREE things that can be corrected/added in the Suikoden 2 Gameplay Guide Section:
correcting ...
- he note about Exertion Rune's damage multiplier (it's 1.2 - 2.2 instead of 1.0 - 2.0, actually there aren't ANY numbers mentioned ^^)
- the note about Valeria's Falcon Rune Critical Hit (it's x5 instead of x3)
adding ...
- the growth rate data to the Stat Growth Guide
[changes]
- Hix 4.0 -> 4.2 (woohoo, climbing up the ladder ^^)
Thx for testing it, and interesting that the damage boost exceeds 2.0 in the 5th turn
Now there are already THREE things that can be corrected/added in the Suikoden 2 Gameplay Guide Section:
correcting ...
- he note about Exertion Rune's damage multiplier (it's 1.2 - 2.2 instead of 1.0 - 2.0, actually there aren't ANY numbers mentioned ^^)
- the note about Valeria's Falcon Rune Critical Hit (it's x5 instead of x3)
adding ...
- the growth rate data to the Stat Growth Guide
[changes]
- Hix 4.0 -> 4.2 (woohoo, climbing up the ladder ^^)
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yeah like i wrote in another topic.. Luc w/M. Earth = 1100+ earthquake spell, and he has the potential to have 4 of em!Stallion wrote:People forget about using Mother Earth offensively - the third level spell Earthquake is 800 damage to all enemies, that's better than the equivalent Rage rune spell. Put that on someone like Karen or even Riou for excellent results. I used this spell in my lvl 99 tricks :p
Didn't test exertion last night ( forgot ) - i have written it on my hand so it will happen tonight.
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Also, I think Valeria is underrated in terms of one aspect. I found out that her Falcon Rune criticals according to normal critical principles, not 1/5 as previously thought. With 200+ Tech, whatever the luck is at Lvl 60, and a killer rune, I got a critical on average once every 3 or so attacks. One time I had 4 critical Falcon Rune attacks in a row. Combine that with an exertion rune and Battle Oath and you have an extremely deadly character. She dealt around 1500 to the Beast Rune's Rune (which would be normally 3000 in most cases) with that combo.
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