Ninjas in the suikoden world
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Ninjas in the suikoden world
there's alot of guesswork here but...
anyway, the way i see it, there are two initial ninja clans, Rokkoku and the mercenaries. The Rokkokus are the clan whom are simply family clans of ninjas. This is the clan to which Kasumi, Sasuke, Mondo, and possibly Fuma belong. They are ninjas with great honor, whom will fight for causes they view as right.
then there are the mercenary clans, whom hire out contracts to whomever can pay. these include the ninja whom attempts to assassinate Tyr in the early chapters of GS1, and Kage himself. I believe that in the timeline of S1, both that ninja and Kage were in the same mercanary clan, but eventually Kage, along with Ayame and Watari splintered off to form the Kage ninjas, a small clan of ninjas in the employ, and loyal to, the Blight family of Highland. As to what happens to the Kage ninjas after the fall of the Blight family, that's probably speculation best left to character theory forum.
anyway, the way i see it, there are two initial ninja clans, Rokkoku and the mercenaries. The Rokkokus are the clan whom are simply family clans of ninjas. This is the clan to which Kasumi, Sasuke, Mondo, and possibly Fuma belong. They are ninjas with great honor, whom will fight for causes they view as right.
then there are the mercenary clans, whom hire out contracts to whomever can pay. these include the ninja whom attempts to assassinate Tyr in the early chapters of GS1, and Kage himself. I believe that in the timeline of S1, both that ninja and Kage were in the same mercanary clan, but eventually Kage, along with Ayame and Watari splintered off to form the Kage ninjas, a small clan of ninjas in the employ, and loyal to, the Blight family of Highland. As to what happens to the Kage ninjas after the fall of the Blight family, that's probably speculation best left to character theory forum.
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KAge ninjas
It's in the Watari/Ayame subquest in 3, that or maybe the Kidd investigations mentions this.
I seem to remember Ayame referring to their organization as Kage.
I seem to remember Ayame referring to their organization as Kage.
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Fuma didn't originate there. He was invited to join them after the events of Suikoden, but it's unlikely that he did given that he wasn't with them in Suikoden 2. However, he may have just been hiding and perfecting his skill hehe (which is QUITE shabby in Suikoden as he's pretty bloody easy to spot!).This is the clan to which Kasumi, Sasuke, Mondo, and possibly Fuma belong
Yeah, Kage does have a merc group. Probably funded by the 20k you have to pay him to join up in the original Suikoden. Mind you, Watari requires 100k...quite a bit more.
I found Watari to be a poor man's Kage. Kage was totally apathetic and was just a mercenary for hire. However, Watari had more story to him, and seemed to have a few more feelings, which p'ed me off slightly as he was technically just hired muscle.
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It is viable and indeed likely that, like Fuma in the original, there are 'solo' ninja and/or other ninja clans. Even Sydonia could 'technically' be called a ninja.
I do remember Ayame calling their clan the Kage ( shadow ) clan, and she also mentions that they worked for Highland, meaning the original Kage was a member if not the founder of this clan.
As for Fuma joining Rokkaku... it's hard to tell, as he never mentions being lonely or anything, and there are no investigations to do. It could be assumed either way, and he could even have changed his clothes and perhaps he was one of the ninja at Rokkaku ( the one hanging from the ceiling? )
I always imagined Fuma to be hidden in the ceiling rafters of Hanzo's room, watching when the party comes to recruit...
I do remember Ayame calling their clan the Kage ( shadow ) clan, and she also mentions that they worked for Highland, meaning the original Kage was a member if not the founder of this clan.
As for Fuma joining Rokkaku... it's hard to tell, as he never mentions being lonely or anything, and there are no investigations to do. It could be assumed either way, and he could even have changed his clothes and perhaps he was one of the ninja at Rokkaku ( the one hanging from the ceiling? )
I always imagined Fuma to be hidden in the ceiling rafters of Hanzo's room, watching when the party comes to recruit...
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I think its more like, there are different clans of ninja, there are Mercenary Ninja (like the Kage group) and theyre are Tiered Clans, (like Rokkaku). The Mercenary are ninja that hire themselves out, obviously. I think that everyone starts in a Tiered Clan, thats how they are trained, and leave, as i doubt theres much penalty, because its like a village, on the other hand Mercenary Ninja are really hard to leave theyre clan (Watari and the reason Ayame is chasing him?)... or something like that.
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Actually it did confirm that, in one source. Kage is part of the "Kage" ninjas. Makes things more confusing if you ask me.
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Ninjas are simply mercenaries. They fight for whoever can pay them (Kage). And of course, if they have any interests in, for example, Liberation Army to win the war, they'll help. But only if it suits them. If I were ninja, I deffinitly wouldn't fight for someone who's not paying me. Ninja has to eat too, right?
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