Just a quick question -- according to the stat growth guide, characters with a B rank in a stat (Jowy's Strength, for example), should end up with a maximum of 187 in that stat. However, when I did a level-by-level write-up of what the character's stats would be if they gained the maximum, I ended up with 191, four points higher than the listed maximum. Did I do something wrong? o_O
Also, for the beasts (Shiro, as an example), can one take a character of the same stat growth (both he and Kinnison, say, have a C+ in STR growth) and multiply it by 2.2 to get what their stats should be at a given level? (It would work the same way as taking the growth of 2-3 and multiplying it by the proper multiplier, right?)
Stat Growth
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Re: Stat Growth
Did you take into account that level 1 has no growth? The transition to level 2 is the first time you apply any of the bonuses. So at level 1 you just have the base stats with no bonus.
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Re: Stat Growth
Yes--but then I worked backward from 187 and got the baseline stat as 11 rather than 13. Below are the numbers as I got them. The only thing I can think of is when moving from 59-60 and 19-20 I messed up.
- 99 187
98 186
97 185
96 184
95 183
94 182
93 181
92 180
91 179
90 178
89 177
88 176
87 175
86 174
85 173
84 172
83 171
82 170
81 169
80 168
79 167
78 166
77 165
76 164
75 163
74 162
73 161
72 160
71 159
70 158
69 157
68 156
67 155
66 154
65 153
64 152
63 151
62 150
61 149
60 148
59 146
58 144
57 142
56 140
55 138
54 136
53 134
52 132
51 130
50 128
49 126
48 124
47 122
46 120
45 118
44 116
43 114
42 112
41 110
40 108
39 106
38 104
37 102
36 100
35 98
34 96
33 94
32 92
31 90
30 88
29 86
28 84
27 82
26 80
25 78
24 76
23 74
22 72
21 70
20 68
19 65
18 62
17 59
16 56
15 53
14 50
13 47
12 44
11 41
10 38
9 35
8 32
7 29
6 26
5 23
4 20
3 17
2 14
1 11
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Re: Stat Growth
The transition to 20 and the transition to 60 are both governed by the higher level tier. Thus 19->20 would only give a bonus of 2, and 59->60 is only 1. That should make the base stat match up.
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Re: Stat Growth
That's where I screwed up. Yahoo! Thanks.
Going by the numbers, a character with S-rank growth who somehow defies the odds and gets max stats hits 255 at level 90, making 91-99 wasted levels in what particular stat. Good thing no one has S-ranks in everything...
I find it weird, too, that an A character can have a lower max stat then a B+ one. Have all the Suikoden games worked this way?
Do the monster characters have the same base or is their base multiplied by the appropriate modifier? (I.E., does Abizboah start with 14 or 43 [14*3.1, rounded down]?) I'm going to assume it's the latter, but I'm not 100%.
Going by the numbers, a character with S-rank growth who somehow defies the odds and gets max stats hits 255 at level 90, making 91-99 wasted levels in what particular stat. Good thing no one has S-ranks in everything...
I find it weird, too, that an A character can have a lower max stat then a B+ one. Have all the Suikoden games worked this way?
Do the monster characters have the same base or is their base multiplied by the appropriate modifier? (I.E., does Abizboah start with 14 or 43 [14*3.1, rounded down]?) I'm going to assume it's the latter, but I'm not 100%.
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Re: Stat Growth
In S2 the monsters have their base stat multiplied (Abizboah's STR stat is in the high 600s at level 99). In S3 they do not (Fubar's STR is in the 150s to 160s).
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Re: Stat Growth
^ Because the Beast weapons in these two games are different.
In S3, STR determines weapon power value for the beasts while this mechanic doesn't exist in S2.
In S3, STR determines weapon power value for the beasts while this mechanic doesn't exist in S2.
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Re: Stat Growth
Something I noticed while experimenting lately:
Rina has an HP growth rank of D+ which means that between levels 2-19 she should only gain 7-8 HP points per level up until level 20+.
http://www.suikosource.com/games/gs2/gu ... growth.php
However, I got an anomaly when I reached level 9:
http://postimg.org/image/r6bshtmfl/
And subsequently, I was able to get an HP growth of +9 on level 10.
But for some reason, her HP growth rate reverted back to the norm for levels 11-13 (I was not able to replicate the +9 to HP after literally hours of soft-resetting).
Then all of a sudden she gets another +9 to HP on level 14 (after only three soft resets):
http://postimg.org/image/tugbem3jr/
Just throwing this out there for anyone interested in looking into this further.
Update (2013/9/7):
After further testing, I was able to reproduce the HP stat growth anomaly for levels 15-19:
http://postimg.org/image/7h0j14j5j/
http://postimg.org/image/4xs07tue1/
http://postimg.org/image/z8eyhkkwv/
http://postimg.org/image/d7vaslgjb/
http://postimg.org/image/4m6dp0z1z/
Rina's stats at level 19:
http://postimg.org/image/9p5zacsfr/
Progression:
lv 4 - HP 40
lv 5 - HP 48 (+8)
lv 6 - HP 56 (+8)
lv 7 - HP 64 (+8)
lv 8 - HP 72 (+8)
lv 9 - HP 81 (+9)
lv 10 - HP 90 (+9)
lv 11 - HP 98 (+8)
lv 12 - HP 106 (+8)
lv 13 - HP 114 (+8)
lv 14 - HP 123 (+9)
lv 15 - HP 132 (+9)
lv 16 - HP 141 (+9)
lv 17 - HP 150 (+9)
lv 18 - HP 159 (+9)
lv 19 - HP 168 (+9)
Over 30+ Double-Beat runes collected during this test (a good portion were sold no thanks to the inventory space) and I ended up with 370,000+ potch and 25+ hours on my game play time (probably more like 40+ if you count all the soft-resetting):
http://postimg.org/image/uc3dm192t/
http://postimg.org/image/f40ez2jst/
http://postimg.org/image/hvd47xipx/
http://postimg.org/image/ocacbawmd/
Level 20 HP gain looks normal:
http://postimg.org/image/hmg1up3ox/
Update (2013/9/8):
So I noticed the same issue with Nanami who also has an HP growth rank of D+ like Rina:
http://postimg.org/image/qn6spvlv5/
(Strange coincidence how the first occurrence is also lv 9)
Here are levels 10-11 and 14 for Nanami (could only get +8 to HP for levels 12-13):
http://postimg.org/image/efc9qb5tf/
http://postimg.org/image/vqzapr6wt/
http://postimg.org/image/dw8ubx9sr/
I'm starting to think that this may be the case for all the other characters whose HP growth rank is D+:
Chaco
Gabocha
Hoi
Luc
Meg
Millie
Viki
But the levels at which most of these characters join at prevent further testing. Only Millie and possibly Chaco remain it seems.
Update (2013/9/9):
Millie Level 10
http://postimg.org/image/b5af3emwt/
I had to give up on levels 7-9 because the RNG just wasn't cooperating.
Rina has an HP growth rank of D+ which means that between levels 2-19 she should only gain 7-8 HP points per level up until level 20+.
http://www.suikosource.com/games/gs2/gu ... growth.php
However, I got an anomaly when I reached level 9:
http://postimg.org/image/r6bshtmfl/
And subsequently, I was able to get an HP growth of +9 on level 10.
But for some reason, her HP growth rate reverted back to the norm for levels 11-13 (I was not able to replicate the +9 to HP after literally hours of soft-resetting).
Then all of a sudden she gets another +9 to HP on level 14 (after only three soft resets):
http://postimg.org/image/tugbem3jr/
Just throwing this out there for anyone interested in looking into this further.
Update (2013/9/7):
After further testing, I was able to reproduce the HP stat growth anomaly for levels 15-19:
http://postimg.org/image/7h0j14j5j/
http://postimg.org/image/4xs07tue1/
http://postimg.org/image/z8eyhkkwv/
http://postimg.org/image/d7vaslgjb/
http://postimg.org/image/4m6dp0z1z/
Rina's stats at level 19:
http://postimg.org/image/9p5zacsfr/
Progression:
lv 4 - HP 40
lv 5 - HP 48 (+8)
lv 6 - HP 56 (+8)
lv 7 - HP 64 (+8)
lv 8 - HP 72 (+8)
lv 9 - HP 81 (+9)
lv 10 - HP 90 (+9)
lv 11 - HP 98 (+8)
lv 12 - HP 106 (+8)
lv 13 - HP 114 (+8)
lv 14 - HP 123 (+9)
lv 15 - HP 132 (+9)
lv 16 - HP 141 (+9)
lv 17 - HP 150 (+9)
lv 18 - HP 159 (+9)
lv 19 - HP 168 (+9)
Over 30+ Double-Beat runes collected during this test (a good portion were sold no thanks to the inventory space) and I ended up with 370,000+ potch and 25+ hours on my game play time (probably more like 40+ if you count all the soft-resetting):
http://postimg.org/image/uc3dm192t/
http://postimg.org/image/f40ez2jst/
http://postimg.org/image/hvd47xipx/
http://postimg.org/image/ocacbawmd/
Level 20 HP gain looks normal:
http://postimg.org/image/hmg1up3ox/
Update (2013/9/8):
So I noticed the same issue with Nanami who also has an HP growth rank of D+ like Rina:
http://postimg.org/image/qn6spvlv5/
(Strange coincidence how the first occurrence is also lv 9)
Here are levels 10-11 and 14 for Nanami (could only get +8 to HP for levels 12-13):
http://postimg.org/image/efc9qb5tf/
http://postimg.org/image/vqzapr6wt/
http://postimg.org/image/dw8ubx9sr/
I'm starting to think that this may be the case for all the other characters whose HP growth rank is D+:
Chaco
Gabocha
Hoi
Luc
Meg
Millie
Viki
But the levels at which most of these characters join at prevent further testing. Only Millie and possibly Chaco remain it seems.
Update (2013/9/9):
Millie Level 10
http://postimg.org/image/b5af3emwt/
I had to give up on levels 7-9 because the RNG just wasn't cooperating.
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Re: Stat Growth
I think Bolgan's Magic growth is potentially wrong. I'm manipulating stats for the battle with Luca Blight (using the stat stone trick), and my level 38 Bolgan has a Magic stat of 54 without me having touched his Magic at all. This is much higher than his E ranking would suggest (an E-ranked character with max growth would have a Magic stat of 47 at level 38). It seems more plausible that he's an E+ (max Magic 65 at level 38). Can anyone confirm?
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Re: Stat Growth
I think those ranks are set the way they are because while B+ ends up being higher during end-game, for the most part of the game A is a higher stat. I do believe this stat growth also exists in other games.Isiolith wrote:I find it weird, too, that an A character can have a lower max stat then a B+ one. Have all the Suikoden games worked this way?
S1: Viktor's STR (just like in S2)
S3: Cecile's SKL, Piccolo's MDF
S4: Ameria, Rita, and Helmut's MAG, Trishtan's SPD.