THE RETURN OF MCDOHL!!

Nemesis · Post by **Nemesis** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:52 pm

Hey! What do you guys think they will do with Mcdohl? I hope they bring him back into another Series of Genso Suikoden! I think it would be pretty cool! Think about it, if they put Riou in it too! 2 main characters would be cool

son_michael · Post by **son_michael** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:28 pm

Riou is not ageless so dont expect him back but if I see mcdohl,Lazlo,hugo,chris and Geddoe back..ill be happy

but I seriously doubt konami would make another game centered around mcdohl IF we see him again..itll be as a side role or just a character that the tenkai meets

Lyon · Post by **Lyon** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:47 am

son_michael wrote:Riou is not ageless so dont expect him back

Ah, that's too bad. He's my favorite Suikoden hero

But yes, if any of the heroes were to make a return, I don't think they'd be a main character.

Lord_Skylar · Post by **Lord_Skylar** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:09 am

I don't know about that.... Lekkat and Windy only had half runes....

Jowy Atreides · Post by **Jowy Atreides** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:13 am

It's a known fact that Riou and Jowy aren't ageless. It's not disputable.

Dura Sinai · Post by **Dura Sinai** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:10 pm

Hlaf a rune is half a rune. Riou and Jowy have components of a true rune. Together they form a true rune that would grant agelessness. Seperate they are simply unique runes.

As far as McDohl returning, I don't see it. Tenkais typically have a story and it is over. We see McDohl in Suikoden 2 basically hiding from people. No interest in running Toran and seeing people get harmed.

Besides, Tenkai's are more often than not ridiculously overpowered. Thomas is the exception. Using Tir and Riou in Suikoden 2 was far too easy.

A cameo could work, but it would need to make sense why someone would be there. Suikoden likes to go from nation to nation and has left the main continent. Unless there was a reason, why would that character be halfway across the world in an some mystery land? It should add to the story, not detract from it.

Ted was a decent example in that he was in suikoden 4. It was established why he was there. It actually is a good lead in to the first game. It wasn't just "We get to recruit Ted cuz he's cool and has souleater"

pesmerga786 · Post by **pesmerga786** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:21 pm

I wouldnt mind if konami dropped little treats of orignial suikoden characters like FF does. Like in FF9 in one of the weapon shops they have Clouds sword hung up on the wall. Maybe Konami could do that with . that would be nice though hehe

Dura Sinai · Post by **Dura Sinai** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:59 pm

Well they already do a lot by having certain staples, returning characters etc etc. It makes tons of cross references.

kuksoolwon · Post by **kuksoolwon** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:32 pm

tey can definatley use him as a side quest.and maybe see victor and flik return?

Occam Arkitect · Post by **Occam Arkitect** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:29 pm

Lord_Skylar wrote:I don't know about that.... Lekkat and Windy only had half runes....

Both of them are different. There's an sample explanation for this, the "water and coffee beans" explanation, find it.

Rezard · Post by **Rezard** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:03 pm

Both of them are different. There's an sample explanation for this, the "water and coffee beans" explanation, find it.

Are they? If I remember correctly, the gate rune is divided into two different pieces, the front and the back and not the first and second halve.

Someone clear me on this one: This coffee and water explanation was done by fans, it is not official, konami can give other explanation, right?

Angelis_Taleria · Post by **Angelis_Taleria** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:21 pm

The water and coffee beans explanation was not given by Konami, it was made by a certain fan, SARS, who couldn't find any other way to dumb it down to the point where even the most incoherent yokel could understand it, but, I guess that wasn't enough.

Konami has explained the difference between The Gate Rune and the Rune of the Beginning. Riou and Jowy are officially ageless, end of story. There is no debating this FACT.

Rezard · Post by **Rezard** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:32 pm

Yes thereÂ´s another explanation, thatÂ´s what I actually thought after I finished Suikoden I. I find it much better and answers lots of questions like:

- Why Windy and Lekkat donÂ´t age?
- Why Windy seeks the soul eater and not the other half of her rune?
- Why Lekkat doesnÂ´t participate in any of the wars?
- What is the gate runeÂ´s curse?
- How can the runes have different names, if they are the same?

This is completely off-topic, maybe IÂ´ll open a new post later to explain my theory, but before that I have to replay Suikoden I to be sure not to say anything stupid.

Wraith · Post by **Wraith** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:59 pm

Why Windy and Lekkat donÂ´t age?

Answered already. See the Water/Coffie stuff.

Or must I say it again? The Gate Rune was a true rune wich was broken in two using a technique of some sort. Because it was broken in two by force wich made it a Half True Rune. While the Dark Blade and Bright Shield rune were NORMAL runes that only when combined forms a True Rune. It is even possible that the Beginning Rune was never formed before Riou and Jowy got it. And its also not sure if the Gate Rune pieces can be reassembled.

- Why Windy seeks the soul eater and not the other half of her rune?

She probably wanted both but needed the Soul Eater first so that she can overpower Leknaat. Thats just my guess.

- Why Lekkat doesnÂ´t participate in any of the wars?

Why would she need to? In Suikoden 1 you actually fight her sister so its quite obvious that she helps you. The other ones are none of her concern(exept for helping the tenkai with the Runes).

- What is the gate runeÂ´s curse?

Unknown. Maybe its agelessnes. But that depends on the bearer. Or maybe the curse is to make the bearer really cocky and go around saying he's the Executor of Balance and stuff.*Joke*

- How can the runes have different names, if they are the same?

One has the power to summon monsters(front gate rune) and the other to send them back to the Emtpy World (back gate rune).

Night · Post by **Night** » Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:06 pm

Angelis_Taleria wrote:Konami has explained the difference between The Gate Rune and the Rune of the Beginning. Riou and Jowy are officially ageless, end of story. There is no debating this FACT.

Damn, sorry to be a pain, but I guess someone should probably point out that you meant NOT ageless (I hope).