Return of Neclord?

Queens Knight · Post by **Queens Knight** » Sun May 07, 2006 5:29 am

If a future Suikoden takes place in the past again, do you think that Neclord should be in it, or do you think that his story has been told in full?

I wouldn't mind seeing Neclord in a future game, while he was in 1 and 2, you really didn't get to see him as more then a one dimensional charatcer.
I mean he was around for 300 years before the events in Suikoden 1, that would give him a lot of time to stir up trouble all over the place, could even have one of Kahn Marley's ancestor's chasing him heh.

Komataguri · Post by **Komataguri** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:13 am

Seriously doubt anything more than a minor mentioning of Neclord in future series.

Destiny's Warrior · Post by **Destiny's Warrior** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:24 pm

Hm, Konami might be nice and add some plot with him in it, (IF there were to be a Suikoden VI, VII etc...) It would be interesting to find some more info on his background. But, Komataguri is probably right.

pesmerga786 · Post by **pesmerga786** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:40 pm

I like neclord and everything but his story has been told, make room for things we dont know yet like more viki and jeane information you know

Post by **patapi** » Sun May 07, 2006 9:50 pm

They should let him return in a game set after II, and nullify the battle against him back then (again!).

Ushiku · Post by **Ushiku** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:43 am

patapi wrote:They should let him return in a game set after II, and nullify the battle against him back then (again!).

He was killed using the Marley Clan technique, the Star Dragon Sword and Sierra taking the Moon Rune back from him.
Besides they already used the doppleganger secret once, I don't think it should be repeated. He's dead, however if he was to be in a game, it would have to be set in the past.

eStrangeD · Post by **eStrangeD** » Mon May 08, 2006 5:57 am

I would love to see a return of Neclord even if they nullify that battle from two. It would give me reason and drive to pound him even more!!! I doubt it though unless it's set in the past. If it was set in Suiko 4it would be like this.... since viki is theoretically (by the people in this forum) able to time-walk.......

Neclord:"Muahahaha"

Viki: "What are you doing here?"

Neclord: "Fear me!"

Viki:(Teleports Viktor, Kahn and Sierra from suiko 2)

Viktor: Hey!! I'm in 3d!!!

Kahn and Sierra: ME TOO!!!

Neclord:(Shows no fear as he doesnt know that viktor has the star dragon sword, nor does he know about the marley's technique)
Viktor: I thought i killed you

Neclord: uhhhh....no you didnt!! I'm immortal!!

Viki: I teleported you through time Viktor, apparently HeroIV is having a hard time beating this guy and the star dragon sword finds everyone in this game incompetent.

Ushiku · Post by **Ushiku** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:19 am

LOL that would be hillarious.

Komataguri · Post by **Komataguri** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:11 am

eStrangeD wrote:I would love to see a return of Neclord even if they nullify that battle from two. It would give me reason and drive to pound him even more!!! I doubt it though unless it's set in the past. If it was set in Suiko 4it would be like this.... since viki is theoretically (by the people in this forum) able to time-walk.......

Neclord:"Muahahaha"

Viki: "What are you doing here?"

Neclord: "Fear me!"

Viki:(Teleports Viktor, Kahn and Sierra from suiko 2)

Viktor: Hey!! I'm in 3d!!!

Kahn and Sierra: ME TOO!!!

Neclord:(Shows no fear as he doesnt know that viktor has the star dragon sword, nor does he know about the marley's technique)
Viktor: I thought i killed you

Neclord: uhhhh....no you didnt!! I'm immortal!!

Viki: I teleported you through time Viktor, apparently HeroIV is having a hard time beating this guy and the star dragon sword finds everyone in this game incompetent.

But if Viktor was teleported back 150 years and killed Neclord then

He wouldn't have been traumatized by Neclord in the future.

Which means he wouldn't have hated him

Which means he wouldn't have found the star dragon sword

Which means he couldn't be teleported back in time to beat Neclord.

this is what we call a time paradox.

Ushiku · Post by **Ushiku** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:37 am

Also sometimes if time is fundamentally changed, the time traveller is unable to return to their original time period because of a critical event. Such an example would be the effects of a character from the future partacipating in a war in the past and killing somebody. It is said that Georg Prime is unmatched in sword combat apart from to Ferid, so imagine if for example Viki teleported Georg or Ferid back in time and killed Hikusaak straight after he overthrew Aronia, thus stopping Harmonia's creation and altering history forever.

If this happened:

Would Windy and Leknaat's Gate Rune Clan have been destroyed?

Would the land Harmonia is situated in have become oppressive, expansionist and totalitarian in its nature?

What would happen to those either oppressed by Harmonia or those who have become oppressors due to Harmonia e.g. Windy, the Rugners, Luc.
Yes all of these had reasons, rooting back to Harmonian actions, but they too became what they hate, the very evil they fought to eradicate had encompassed them.

Therefore it is impossible to fundamentally change history without severe consequences on the future.

Shikton · Post by **Shikton** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:56 am

I thought we were done with Neclord in 1, then was positively surprised when he returned in 2, but if he re-appears again it'll be overkill. At least as an important villain. All IMO of course.

Komataguri · Post by **Komataguri** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:51 am

Shikton wrote:I thought we were done with Neclord in 1, then was positively surprised when he returned in 2, but if he re-appears again it'll be overkill. At least as an important villain. All IMO of course.

I gave a pained groan when I saw Neclords return in 2. I thought it was already overkill.

Masamune · Post by **Masamune** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:41 am

Neclord is my hero. He needs to get his Moon Rune back!

Seeing Windy and the gang in a prequel would be cool though, although dissapointing since you technically wouldn't be able to defeat them (just drive them out at most). In that sense, I'd rather see the threesome working together (like the Destroyers in S3) than as separate 'generals' like in S1.

Angelis_Taleria · Post by **Angelis_Taleria** » Mon May 08, 2006 12:02 pm

Masamune wrote:Neclord is my hero. He needs to get his Moon Rune back!

First off, he's dead - Good riddance.

Secondly, it was never his moon rune to begin with. He stole it from the rightful bearer, Sierra.

Masamune · Post by **Masamune** » Mon May 08, 2006 12:33 pm

That's just Sierra's cover story. We all know she just resents that he dumped her for not being a redhead.

That is, I knew that already.