ItsDaveyJ wrote:Eh I think that statistic is pretty inaccurate. I'd say that a number around 3-5% is more accurate. But I have no data to back that up.
ItsDaveyJ wrote:But I don't mind stereotypical characters as long as they are treated with respect ... I don't think its fair to necessarily dismiss a stereotypical character as being a detriment to representation of gays because it isn't fair to the gays who are stereotypical.
ItsDaveyJ wrote:Really what it comes down to though is... treat them like every other character in the series. Don't make them act or not act a certain way because of their sexuality... make it because of their personality. That's my opinion about it at least. Nothing wrong with an amazonian lesbian or a gay bear type as long as they are well developed.
I disagree. Stereotypes are inherently disrespectful. They are charicatures. If the goal is to show diversity, it is lazy to rely on stereotypes. Suppose in a hypothetical Suikoden VI there is a character names Ching Chong Chow who serves as your butler. He wears a Raiden-style hat, has big buck teeth, and speaks in Pidgin English. "Me rikey serve-a you massa. A numba one! You eat-a up good chow now. Yum Yum!" Would that be an acceptable characterization? I don't want to see something like that that's gay cousin show up. Sometimes the Narcissists dance a little to close to that line for me, but they are based more on foppish aristocrats than gays. Are there any video games where LGBT characters are treated respectfully? I was very happy when I heard Dragon Age Origins had canonically LGBT characters, but then I saw how they were handled and I threw my hands up in frustration at the wasted opportunity.
ItsDaveyJ wrote:Take a more measured approach to stereotypes. And just because it is a stereotype doesn't mean it has to be offensive.
ItsDaveyJ wrote:It's important to remember that as the community strives to change public perception that they don't invalidate and demean those who do not fit the mold of how certain people think gay people "should be." Instead of focusing on the "should be" focus on "how they are."
ItsDaveyJ wrote:For the purpose of defying stereotypes... should we make all asian characters not intelligent and make all the gay men out of shape?
It seems we have a fundamental disagreement here. I have a problem with every word in these two sentences. I doubt any further discussion is going to get beyond the basic dissonance of that point.
Speaking from my own experiences, people expect the lisp and the super fashion sense and the feather boas. And I've only ever met a tiny handful of people of are that way. In general people judge you when you don't fit that mold, and most of the gay men I know do not fit it. I know I don't fit it. I get a lot of people who say to me, "Wow, I never would have guessed that you were gay! You don't act it at all." And I find that statement horrifyingly offensive. I work with mostly women. If I go out to dinner with my co-workers and one posts a picture of us on Facebook with the caption "Dinner with the girls" it makes me upset. And then they will say, "Why? I thought YOU PEOPLE always called yourselves that." They don't mean anything homophobic by that statement, but that's what comes from always falling back on the stereotypes. They get reinforced. It's harder to overcome cognitive dissonance than it is to not allow it to build in the first place.
Most of the gay men I know are very out of shape ... or extremely skinny and scrawny. I don't think I know a single one with a gym body. What I'm saying is, if you are trying to show diversity in a community, you should show that diversity. If you have one Asian character, don't make them a super nerd Otaku because that is what people will expect. If you are going to have one gay character, base him off Ian McKellen and not Liberace. If you are going to have multiple gay characters, then show diversity by all means. Be inclusive as you can be and show the whole rainbow. But if you only have one shot and one character, don't fall back on preconceptions. If for no other reason than it's lazy writing.
sticky-runes wrote:What's all this talk of Gay characters in Suikoden??? A butch, manly man's game set in a magical world inhabited by fairies and prancing holly creatures, and elves that dress up in all the colors of the rainbow and attack people by singing songs at them? A game that lets us travel the world recruiting burly warriors who we get to go shopping with and take baths together, and a rugged heavily built man with scruffy hair gets called a "bear"? You think there are LGBT characters living in such a world? I should slap each and every one of you on the wrist for suggesting such an outlandish thing.
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