Flame Champion possible spoiler

CyrusVile · Post by **CyrusVile** » Mon May 15, 2006 8:16 pm

[spoiler] Is it just me or was anyone else dissapionted when you found out the Flame Champion was dead. I mean I understand that he wanted to grow old with Sana, but I thought he was a cool character I would have loved to have had him playable.[/spoiler]

SinaiBeach · Post by **SinaiBeach** » Mon May 15, 2006 9:36 pm

I was actually surprised that he had died. I really thought he was going to be there alive and thought he was going to help out in the war but i guess it was ok because then the successor would get the True Fire Rune and that was alright.

Post by **patapi** » Mon May 15, 2006 10:19 pm

Flame Champion being alive was the typical expectation (I even expected him to be the eventual Tenkai star that bring together the three main characters), but eventually I considered him being dead to be a good twist.

Darian · Post by **Darian** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:34 am

I wish he were alive simply because, looks-wise at least, he's my favorite Hero character even if he fits the term only loosely. :\

Ushiku · Post by **Ushiku** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:43 am

I think that the fact you cannot play as the Flame Champion shows he has a strong character, instead of bending to the will of his True Fire Rune he decided to seal off his True Fire Rune and live a happily married life with his wife Sana. Happy ending are rare in Suikoden in regards to those involved with True Runes, so this is a great ending for him.

Falenan_descent · Post by **Falenan_descent** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:27 am

When she said, "Yes...this is Tao." Tao being the Flame champ name that I used. I thought he had turned into stone. Not died. Lol

Wraith · Post by **Wraith** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:46 am

Ushiku wrote:I think that the fact you cannot play as the Flame Champion shows he has a strong character, instead of bending to the will of his True Fire Rune he decided to seal off his True Fire Rune and live a happily married life with his wife Sana. Happy ending are rare in Suikoden in regards to those involved with True Runes, so this is a great ending for him.

When someone bears a True Rune for a certain period of time and it is removed, they will die after a couple of months(or maybe weeks) so I don't really call that a happy marriage.

Zulias · Post by **Zulias** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:38 pm

Wraith, that fact is only true when they begin aging to meet their actual age. If the Flame Champion had only worn the rune for the war's length, he had plenty of time left, which was what was insinuated.

--Spoiler--

This fact was re-affirmed by Geddoe's response to his rune being stolen.

Ushiku · Post by **Ushiku** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:18 pm

Is it known how old the Flame Champions was when he borne the True Fire Rune and how old he was when he died?

CyrusVile · Post by **CyrusVile** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:46 pm

Didn't Graham Cray have the rune of punishment and cut off his arm to get rid of it. If thats the case he lived more than a few months after having it. Also he wasn't a old man in suikoden IV. So he didn't seem to have any bad aging affects after losing the rune.

demon eye · Post by **demon eye** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:11 pm

Cray had the Rune of Punishment for a short amount of time and did not build a bond with it, therefore he is not subject to the same rule. Also, we cannot assume that there is a specific rule, but it seems that long-term bearers cannot live much longer when they part ways with their True Rune. As for the Flame Champion, he stripped himself from the True Fire Rune with a Sindarian technique.

He knew he was shortening his life span by doing this. So, I don't know if we can say it was because he bore the True Fire Rune for a prolonged period of time or was it because he stripped himself of the True Fire Rune by force. We do know that the Flame Champion did not bear the True Fire Rune as long as Geddoe bore the True Lightnong Rune. I believe he was the youngest among all three.

Melee Ace · Post by **Melee Ace** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:50 pm

I think Geddoe mentions that the Flame Champion lives on for years afterwards if you choose him as the successor. How many years isn't mentioned though.

Night · Post by **Night** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:39 pm

demon eye wrote:Cray had the Rune of Punishment for a short amount of time and did not build a bond with it, therefore he is not subject to the same rule.

I wouldn't have said it was anything to do with forming a bond, so much as it was because the rune hadn't actually needed to extend his life yet. Perhaps when he cut his arm off he aged the missing months really quickly, then returned to aging normally.

Chris_Lightfellow · Post by **Chris_Lightfellow** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:54 pm

Zulias wrote:Wraith, that fact is only true when they begin aging to meet their actual age. If the Flame Champion had only worn the rune for the war's length, he had plenty of time left, which was what was insinuated.

The FC used a lot of energy to forcibly seal the TFR in his body which probably significantly reduced his lifespan.

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